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dog weed proving ground was a location

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where many highly classified chemical

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and biological tests were carried out

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and in 1968 one of these went wrong when

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VX nerve agent was inadvertently

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released well there's an interesting

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thing with the army did on the one hand

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they denied for years and years that

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they had anything to do with this but we

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know that quietly they were compensating

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the ranchers obviously they knew that

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they were responsible for the deaths of

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those sheep just so happens during the

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same time there was massive UFO

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sightings some witnesses have actually

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filmed these UFOs these lights in the

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sky was it a diversionary tactic by the

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military to focus on these UFOs these

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lights in the sky or it could be the

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other way around

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maybe they're using the Sheep incident

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to take focus off the UFOs if they're

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testing this type of weaponry what do we

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not know about the craft and the

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sightings being seen around the area the

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Douglas sheep incident did serve a

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purpose it frightened people kept them

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away kept them from asking questions

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because they saw what would happen the

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incident you just heard about is only

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one of a handful of incidents reported

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at Dugway proving ground

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this highly top-secret facility not only

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tests biochemical nerve agents and

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weapons a top-secret aircraft as well it

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also boasts the highest restricted

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airspace in the United States stretching

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to the Earth's atmosphere so it's safe

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to say that whatever is going on at

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Dugway is definitely classified but utah

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secrets don't end there it also boasts

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another highly secretive and strange

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place known as the skinwalker ranch

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where endless amounts of bizarre

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creatures apparitions UFOs and

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everything in between have been reported

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today we talk about these locations and

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the vast UFO activity happening over the

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skies and on the ground with Utah UFO

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researcher Erika leekes Erika is the

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head of unexplained Utah an organization

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which is focused upon scientifically

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researching unidentified air

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phenomena she now serves as the

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communications director for the

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International Association of UAP

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researchers she's collected over a

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decade's worth of case reports from

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skinwalker ranch regarding mass

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sightings of UFOs mysterious mutilations

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of animals and even alien abductions

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erica was the team leader on a research

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program called project orange this

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project is specifically dedicated to

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studying sightings and clusters of

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orange and red orbs erica was also the

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lead investigator on the American

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Airlines 434 case over Utah which we'll

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be talking about today so without

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further ado let's hear from Erika leekes

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Erika thank you so much for joining me

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today I am absolutely honored to be here

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I'm excited that you reached out to me

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thank you

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yeah we finally got to meet in Arizona

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this past February I got to see a little

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portion of your talk I was running

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around obviously with it you know my

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head cut off like a chicken but it was

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so cool seeing the information you're

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bringing forward and how much you're

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involved in different groups in

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different investigations so we're really

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going to hit on some of those today for

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sure I'm excited it was fun to meet you

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I have to say I really that was one of

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the highlights of my my trip there

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oh that's so nice yeah I'm you and Ted

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I'm glad we got our selfie together oh I

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bet selfie was pretty good and I've got

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some other pictures of you too that are

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Oh No that's used those for blackmail

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someday I'm sure well I might have to

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let's start with the origin story Erika

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I know we have some listeners who may

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have never heard of your work for the

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mere fact that UFOs have not been their

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life what you and I so how how did you

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get involved with the entire USO topic

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you know it was interesting I've always

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had a curiosity you know I've always

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read books and I remember picking up my

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first book when I was oh my gosh I think

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six years old I had a lifetime full of

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interesting paranormal experiences and

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so I've been kind of raised with an open

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mind but not so open that we're

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believing

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everything that comes in it comes along

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but in 2013 I was sitting on the the

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porch with some of my friends and we

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observed this amber orange sphere that

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was hovering just above the mountain

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line over the Salt Lake Valley and it

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was interesting because it didn't have

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the type of light that you would see

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that artificial light on a plane and we

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watched it and watched it and got up the

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binoculars and then there was a another

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object that appeared to kind of come out

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of the larger object and then move

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around in a circle around the larger

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object and it was seen we were all just

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sitting there like okay this is this is

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quite interesting and I you know for for

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every night for probably two three

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months I got my video camera out and I

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was out there recording things and

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actually got some really interesting

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video footage and I kept thinking to

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myself okay we're 80 miles away from one

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of the world's most frightening places

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Dugway proving ground and we also you

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know this is over at the biggest the

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most densely populated city in Utah what

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is this so I just started to reach out

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to different people I scoured YouTube

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but made phone calls actually just

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thought for fun I called Hill Air Force

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Base to see where they'd go and ugly

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just because I like to do those sorts of

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things that's going to keep keep people

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on their toes put me on their radar

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whatever but I quickly learned that

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there were these types of amber orange

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orbs sightings that were taking place

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not only in Utah but all over the

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country all over the world and so I

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filed a report with Peter Davenport and

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spoke with him and he was wonderful and

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I figured out there were not a lot of

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places or resources in Utah for me to

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turn to and at that point in time the

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MUFON chapter was defunct because he

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Lane Douglass had passed away who was

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the former state director and a very

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spicy woman I wish I could have you know

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had the opportunity to meet her but I

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became

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involved with MUFON as a field

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investigator and then eventually a state

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director and it was a really great

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learning experience for me and you know

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then in that process they learn more

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about Utah the hot spot skinwalker ranch

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different things and I also really

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reached out to different investigators

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and researchers not just in MUFON but

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people that were really making a

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difference worldwide I know you've

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spoken to investigators in Latin America

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I can only assume other countries as

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well and a lot of people don't realize

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like there are investigators out there

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be you know not a part of MUFON

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you know myself being one of them I've

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always wanted to join I just never had

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the courage to do so so well you know

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there are so many wonderful people in

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and out of MUFON and I think that they

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you know they have a personal experience

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and something inside you when you have

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an experience like that I mean it's like

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this light goes on and you just have to

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know and the more I learn on a daily

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basis the more I just sit there I think

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with my mouth hanging open because it is

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so the implications of all of this the

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gravity of it end and the fact that

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whatever these objects beings are

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interacting with people in a way that

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perhaps we don't we can't even

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comprehend

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I mean it's alarming and it's something

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that should be taken incredibly

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seriously I agree and you know when we

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strip it down to the bare bones people

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are seeing things they can't explain and

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it's having psychological physiological

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effects immediately you know not to

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mention the implications after and we're

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not even talking you know non-human

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intelligence that's even going a bit too

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far in many of these cases we're just

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saying people are seeing things in the

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skies or possibly under the water that

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they cannot conventionally explain and

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that has a lasting impact on the human

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being you know experiencing that

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absolutely and I think to you know the

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more I really study different hot spots

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you know like skinwalker ranch I mean

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interesting question or the whole Uintah

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there are you know how to does long-term

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exposure to this phenomenon affect a

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person's psyche and then what are the

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health effects on people that are that

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are very important questions to ask and

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health professionals and scientists and

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biologists amande just different

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different people that could add their

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input and kind of take it away so much

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from this fringy topic but people who

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were willing to look and put the pieces

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of the puzzle together so we have a

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better foundational understanding of

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this the the sighting you had Erica the

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orange orbs I would love to talk about

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this I know you've worked in the past in

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the present on this project Orange could

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you tell us about this who's involved

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and what you've sort of come to discover

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about this strange phenomenon that seems

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to be very prevalent right now oh it is

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and it always has been and so when I was

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a state director I I mean I spent so

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much time scouring the CMS and looking

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at other reports and finding a lot of

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commonalities with what we were seeing

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what I had seen in Utah and to me I was

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a little bit shocked that that other

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state directors or field investigators

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were dismissing some cases that were

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very credible cases and I read a book by

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Terry Ray that really changed me and I

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met him at a MUFON symposium and he had

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taken data from the CMS and compiled

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different sightings reports of these

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orange spheres and I reached out to him

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and then I found Robert steering who's a

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field investigator start team

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investigator and also believes that

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we're missing the boat when it comes to

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looking at the data and understanding

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that this is prevalent and we need to

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take it seriously

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so we've formed a core team and Bob

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spearing

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and just did amazing statistical

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analysis about all of all of this and he

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was able to through his work you know

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determine yes we've got hot spots and we

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tried to raise awareness within MUFON

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which he's still doing and I'm so proud

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to know him he's a great guy but still

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unfortunately there is this kind of

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sentiment to dismiss what's taking place

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and I don't know whether that's ego

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talking you know where we've got to go

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in and debunk everything even though we

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don't know all the facts I don't I don't

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know what it is but I think that people

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need to understand and think outside the

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box and I think that I encourage

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investigators to look at the reports

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figure out where they're happening

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because they're happening in the same

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places repeatedly for decades and get

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out there and do some field study right

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and like that that consistency is what

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really gets my attention you know if

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this is happening and it's repeated you

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have to wonder is this some sort of

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natural phenomena super natural

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phenomena yeah I know

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earlene strand has worked a lot on this

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not here in the United States and you've

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looked into his work as well am I

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correct oh absolutely I mean he was

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somebody I found pretty early on and I

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reached out to him and have had him on

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my show because his work to me is I

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think the most important work in the

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world and when you've got 30 years of

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data and he's been able to determine

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that there are four different types of

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light phenomena that appear to behave

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intelligently I mean that and he's a

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scientist you know he's had people from

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different colleges universities from all

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over the world come there and not only

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has he been able to he and his team

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really focus on this but he's also

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really instilled a passion in the

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college students there which he takes

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out for science camp every year and so

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he's teaching these this younger

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generation to use the scientific method

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and the tools that we have available to

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study all of this and that's that's

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really powerful

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oh my gosh that's amazing I wish we had

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something like that here he heated the

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United States for sure

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well in terms of these lights I want to

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stick on that for a moment Erica there

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was a mass sighting in your area of Salt

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Lake in 2014 could you tell us a little

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bit about this case this is very

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interesting yeah this case and I oh my

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gosh I this case was so exciting and I

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still you know to me I just have to say

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that this single case has turned into

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really kind of building upon that with

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other cases that are very similar in the

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area it's been fun but I was contacted

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by Fox News here and they said you know

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sent me a message in to say hey you know

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we've got a flood of reports coming in

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and people are calling us posting

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pictures on our social media sites there

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are these white spheres you know that

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are hovering over over salt the Salt

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Lake Valley and it was interesting

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because this is a broad daylight

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sighting and there were witnesses were

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describing three two to seven objects

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that were in one place for upwards of an

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hour and then some of them was move in a

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direction and the other one would go the

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other way and we had some witnesses that

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also noted that there were military

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there was a military presence or a

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military craft in the area some

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witnesses felt that these the military

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was kind of monitoring what these

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objects were and it was it was

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intriguing you know and you've got

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you've got things that are seen by one

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witness account over the NSA which is

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the most restricted airspace in the

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world you have these objects that were

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seen in a flight corridor for the

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assault like International Airport and

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all of these things and then the next

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day over in Colorado the same objects

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appeared and it was there was a reporter

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by the name of Matt Renu who did a great

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story you can find that on YouTube about

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that and he interviewed a policeman

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interviewed different people reached out

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to NORAD to try to get you know any sort

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of

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spots from them we know how that always

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works out but I at that point in time

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because you've got a daylight sighting

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in these specific locations where things

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shouldn't be seen unless they're

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airplanes you know I did a FOIA request

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so I called Robert pal kind of ran it

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through with him and then I called bill

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Puckett from us I was Northwest and I

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said hey we got a move on this and we

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did and not once but twice we got

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unreadable text format on our FOIA

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request and so we weren't really able to

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analyze the radar data and that was a

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curious thing but you know we had a lot

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of people reaching out there's there are

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some videos people shot you can find on

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YouTube in Utah and it's fascinating

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because you see these white spheres

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during the day so are these the same

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things that we're seeing at night I

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don't know but they're not weather

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balloons they're not Google loon

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balloons which people you know that was

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the first thing that people jumped on oh

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they're a Google one balloon well no no

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they're not you know yeah no I mean come

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on now a Google loon balloon doesn't

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stay in one location

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for upwards of an hour they're typically

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up about 80,000 feet you can't see them

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with the naked eye and they're not

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launching them they weren't launching

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them in the western United States at the

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time of the sighting and then you've got

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the fact that there's no transponder

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data so no they're not right well in

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these are ways in which you know

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skeptics but even further debunkers like

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to look at these things they find some

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sort of soundbite or you know

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conventional prosaic explanation and

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they just stick with that no matter what

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but then you have someone like you

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really investigated and know that that's

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not what this is like it's just

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logically that is not what this is and I

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think that's where the the gap really is

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between the investigator and the just

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hardcore debunkers and I think the thing

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that was curious to me is that a lot of

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the hardcore debunkers are actually

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be working in the field as investigators

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you know and I don't know whether it's

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you know III don't know

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it was fascinating to me that you could

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have all of this evidence but yet still

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classify it as as a Google in balloon I

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mean come on you know it is that's the

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easy explanation

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you know that's convenient because you

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don't have to do any more work on it but

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you know give me a break we got to look

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at this this is again this isn't an

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isolated incident with this type of

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thing and for me what struck me is this

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is this is a matter of not only you know

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aviation safety but also you're close to

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again dev Way proving grounds one of the

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most interesting places on the planet

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which could if anything happened there

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you know this is a serious thing for the

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population of Salt Lake City in the

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surrounding areas right well let's talk

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a little about that you know we we've

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all heard of skinwalker I think at this

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point but I don't think people

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necessarily know the history that this

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place has been through with with

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billionaires being involved and all the

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different things being cited there I

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know you've personally been there you've

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investigated you have tons of case

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reports um would you mind ARCA telling

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us a little about skinwalker and what

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you found going on there

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oh boy you know I again last week I had

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a report from someone who's had a

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sighting in the area and the Uintah

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Basin is a very curious place I mean

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it's very a lot of cattle ranchers in

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the area it's very there a lot of minds

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and oil fields and then you have the

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fact that you've had a lot of history

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with some of the miners coming in there

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and then the Native Americans and it's

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been the history of the place even if

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you didn't take into account all of the

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strange goings-on I mean it's a

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fascinating place but back in eken you

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know 20 years ago Robert Bigelow

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purchased a ranch down the skinwalker

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ranch now and he purchased it because he

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had heard of all of the the goings-on

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there and he was very interested I'm

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sure he still is in you know cattle

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mutilations the UFO sightings the

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paranormal events that were occurring on

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the ranch but these events were not only

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occurring on skinwalker ranch they were

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occurring in the UN two basin as a whole

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and then you've got the work of jr.

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Hicks who was a

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science teacher in the area and he had

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been collecting reports from the 60s

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onward and so you've got his body of

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work he's got 700 reports and they are

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incredible and then you know you bring

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in dr. Frank Salisbury's work who wrote

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the Utah UFO display and you've got a

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very intriguing area that has been well

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documented unlike many other hotspots

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and it's it's frightening it is it

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people who are cattle ranchers in the

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area have lost a considerable amount of

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money because of the cattle mutilations

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that are still taking place you know in

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terms of the cattle the livestock issue

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we also have Dugway which in was it 1968

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where thousands and thousands of sheep

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were killed because of a leak that

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happened at Dugway a chemical leak tell

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us a little about Dugway and dismiss it

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in if you wouldn't mind the Sheep

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incident Samantha that but the winner

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but they had been flying and they were

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dropping some of this nerve agent and

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that they apparently went off course and

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and flew over livestock and it affected

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not only the livestock killing you know

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thousands of sheep but it also affected

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the people that were in the area and for

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a long long time the government didn't

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take any responsibility for it but they

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finally had to fess up but this is this

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is just one of the things that has taken

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place here you know a couple years ago

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we had

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live anthrax that was shipped via FedEx

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you know I mean yeah there's there's

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some really pretty big breaches that

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take place there and I'm sure it's it's

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hard to you know I mean it would be hard

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to run a facility like that they are

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doing laser testing I have a friend Dave

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Rosenfeld who was on the TV show with me

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now and he's been just relentless for

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two decades about going out by Dugway

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and kind of monitoring what's taking

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place there and he's had some pretty

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incredible experiences with unidentified

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objects that appear to be monitoring the

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area as they do in many other locations

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where there is testing taking place yeah

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I personally interviewed Dave a few

547
00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:02,530
times about Dugway and the things he's

548
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:04,990
found there are just incredible and that

549
00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:07,720
TV show you're mentioning is UFOs the

550
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:09,700
lost evidence which we'll talk about

551
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:12,190
later on for sure I want to I want to

552
00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:16,000
hear the inside scoop on that but what

553
00:24:20,430 --> 00:24:17,560
Dave is doing there and am I correct

554
00:24:23,550 --> 00:24:20,440
this is one of the bases that has one of

555
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:23,560
the highest restricted air spaces in the

556
00:24:29,610 --> 00:24:26,650
world absolutely and praise the Lord for

557
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:29,620
that yeah yeah I can only imagine but

558
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:32,290
you have to wonder like why so high I

559
00:24:35,910 --> 00:24:33,730
mean we're talking like up to the

560
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:35,920
Earth's atmosphere they have restricted

561
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,990
air space for this place so what are

562
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:40,000
they testing what are they flying I'm

563
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:42,370
sure we'll never truly know but many

564
00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:44,590
people do believe this could be our area

565
00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:48,100
52 well absolutely and then I you know I

566
00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:51,700
I believe it is I mean you just have we

567
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,680
have a large number of aerospace

568
00:25:00,480 --> 00:24:55,500
companies that have moved into Utah and

569
00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:00,490
are working out their testing things we

570
00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:03,220
we know that they've tested biological

571
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:06,340
and chemical weapons and so who knows

572
00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:09,850
what goes on there but it to me being a

573
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:12,550
resident of Utah and being concerned

574
00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:16,810
about safety of people in the area it's

575
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:19,000
a it's an interesting place and I think

576
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:22,390
that we need to be aware of what goes on

577
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,820
there and make sure everything is on the

578
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:26,320
up and up and we're not shipping live

579
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:27,330
anthrax

580
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:29,100
absolutely for your own security and

581
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:31,530
health I mean you look at something like

582
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,050
when Bill Clinton had to come forward

583
00:25:39,410 --> 00:25:37,200
and with the lawsuit with area 51 people

584
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:39,420
were dying because of what was going on

585
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:42,330
there and finally the government took

586
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,370
some accountability but when you have

587
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,620
these possible black budget projects

588
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:49,140
going on they're not answering to anyone

589
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:51,630
and they're not to know responsibility

590
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,910
so as civilians we really have to be

591
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,100
careful on that they could wipe us out

592
00:26:02,920 --> 00:25:58,500
in a heartbeat you know they could and I

593
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,930
think it's just even politically having

594
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:05,760
just watched what takes place you know

595
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:07,410
and the fact that people are so

596
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:10,710
apathetic and in my opinion you have to

597
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:12,390
take accountability and you have to get

598
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,010
involved you have to look at what's

599
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:16,140
taking place in the government you have

600
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:17,550
to look at what's taking place in your

601
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:20,730
community and you have to not be lazy

602
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:23,610
you know in the same with the UFO field

603
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,350
we need to look at that and take it

604
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:27,900
seriously and and step up to the plate

605
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:29,790
if we're going to make a change well

606
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:33,860
into a CEREC of UFO sightings in the air

607
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:37,260
we've had debunkers say that pilots are

608
00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:39,930
no more credible with UFO sightings than

609
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:42,270
people on the ground which is utterly

610
00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:47,370
ridiculous we have so many pilot witness

611
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,040
reports about things going on in the sky

612
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:52,980
and one you've personally been a part of

613
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,320
researched and investigated was the

614
00:27:01,730 --> 00:26:58,260
American Airlines for 34 case this is

615
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:01,740
absolutely incredible in this case would

616
00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:05,070
you mind trying just us through this

617
00:27:12,140 --> 00:27:07,830
very complex case and what you were able

618
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,150
to obtain from an FOI a request oh my

619
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:14,880
gosh this this case was it it's truly

620
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:16,980
the highlight of my time investigating

621
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,380
but I had a I have a friend his name is

622
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:21,480
Pat Daniels and he hosts the fringe

623
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:24,750
radio show and he's also an avid ham

624
00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:27,780
radio operator he does all sorts of

625
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:31,800
things scanning frequencies and and he

626
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:35,480
is Hiep he contacted me because he had

627
00:27:40,649 --> 00:27:38,610
listened to something that was that

628
00:27:43,109 --> 00:27:40,659
really piqued his interest and was

629
00:27:44,849 --> 00:27:43,119
almost alarming to him he had been

630
00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:44,859
sitting at his desk doing some work a

631
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:47,409
little after midnight on January 14th

632
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:50,379
and he heard a couple transmissions from

633
00:27:57,479 --> 00:27:54,609
a pilot or the crew of the craft asking

634
00:28:00,469 --> 00:27:57,489
what this this object was that appeared

635
00:28:03,299 --> 00:28:00,479
to be keeping pace with the plane and

636
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:03,309
then you you know I mean it was a large

637
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:07,059
orange square object and he said you

638
00:28:11,129 --> 00:28:08,710
know he said I've in all my years of

639
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,139
just scanning frequencies I have never

640
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,039
heard this ever and knowing that he is a

641
00:28:20,669 --> 00:28:18,159
good human being who was kind of shaken

642
00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:20,679
by this I decided that I was going to

643
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:24,549
try to find out more and so I grabbed my

644
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:27,580
assistant state director Jeff Cox and we

645
00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:30,369
went to the ATC the air traffic control

646
00:28:36,239 --> 00:28:34,119
website and just scoured it to find any

647
00:28:38,729 --> 00:28:36,249
bits and pieces of this transmission and

648
00:28:43,139 --> 00:28:38,739
lo and behold we were able to find a

649
00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:43,149
brief snippet of the pilot talking or

650
00:28:52,409 --> 00:28:46,359
the crew talking asking lists like

651
00:28:55,289 --> 00:28:52,419
control what this object was I put it

652
00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:55,299
for good laugh out of fright for two

653
00:29:02,669 --> 00:28:59,470
squares or fine or 11 um no it's a good

654
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:02,679
question I not sure what your right side

655
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:04,840
that's like strictly off art hell is

656
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:06,970
right now I read a lot I put it in water

657
00:29:15,659 --> 00:29:10,210
for a while McDowell is it's that

658
00:29:19,169 --> 00:29:15,669
perfect square right harsh hi we are too

659
00:29:22,049 --> 00:29:19,179
hot well American flight 34 that is neat

660
00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:22,059
why I'm nice I you Tom Levi okay cool

661
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:25,119
help me when I go fine thank you you

662
00:29:30,989 --> 00:29:28,840
better and and so what we did then again

663
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,999
I was working with Bill Puckett I

664
00:29:36,779 --> 00:29:33,279
brought him in and we submitted a FOIA

665
00:29:39,239 --> 00:29:36,789
request for radar data for audio logs

666
00:29:42,269 --> 00:29:39,249
and air for the tower logs and for audio

667
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:42,279
the FAA actually and about six to eight

668
00:29:48,749 --> 00:29:46,210
weeks sent back all the radar data which

669
00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:48,759
was incredible they sent back some of

670
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:51,940
the audio and there was a portion of the

671
00:29:57,419 --> 00:29:53,950
audio that was redacted

672
00:30:00,379 --> 00:29:57,429
was curious but after careful analysis

673
00:30:03,419 --> 00:30:00,389
of the radar data we were able to

674
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:03,429
determine that there was something

675
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:06,669
absolutely incredible it was spanning

676
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:10,000
almost a six mile area over a remote

677
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:13,769
part of just right outside of Nephi Utah

678
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:17,230
so that coupled with the fact that

679
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,049
you've got the snippet of audio really

680
00:30:25,049 --> 00:30:22,450
made a powerful case you know when

681
00:30:28,769 --> 00:30:25,059
you're looking for for evidence you

682
00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:28,779
can't really argue with this especially

683
00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:30,220
because you know bill Puckett is so

684
00:30:34,889 --> 00:30:33,100
methodical and he sends the data to

685
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:34,899
other researchers all over the world to

686
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:37,690
get a feedback and it was it was quite

687
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:39,669
curious he was able to rule out

688
00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:43,240
anomalous propagation and it's you can

689
00:30:49,379 --> 00:30:46,630
go to UFOs Northwest and actually look

690
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:49,389
at the great work that he did on the

691
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:53,350
case and after investigating Jeff Cox

692
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,850
and I reaching out to the community you

693
00:30:59,659 --> 00:30:57,519
know we put an ad on the paper talked to

694
00:31:02,759 --> 00:30:59,669
everybody there did a lot of

695
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:02,769
investigating and looking at old cases

696
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,500
and things I mean this is an area where

697
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,159
there have been some interesting cases

698
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:11,200
historically as well so what's going on

699
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:14,799
there I don't know yeah and I mean the

700
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:18,159
object reported in general a square or

701
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:22,350
rectangle shape we don't hear this often

702
00:31:28,169 --> 00:31:25,450
no we don't but there are reports like

703
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:28,179
that out there and and so it's quite

704
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:31,330
it's just the whole cases is fascinating

705
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:33,610
it again you know we've got an object

706
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:37,179
that is or objects you know six miles

707
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:42,159
wide and and there again close to Dugway

708
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:44,769
proving ground so what is it and what is

709
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:48,370
it that would make somebody that is on

710
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:51,730
the crew for an airline would make them

711
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:54,970
come you know over and ask the question

712
00:31:58,289 --> 00:31:56,590
you know the people to pilot so

713
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,299
typically do that I know I've

714
00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:00,100
interviewed a lot of pilots off the

715
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:02,889
record and they won't even talk about it

716
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:04,700
which is unfortunate

717
00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:07,580
and off the record is Kia we have yellow

718
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:09,800
many pilots who have been you know put

719
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:13,370
on desk duty after reporting UFOs or we

720
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:14,810
look at the famous Chicago O'Hare

721
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,780
incident when nobody and I know this

722
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:20,720
from personal experience nobody even

723
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:23,810
this Cinnabon employees at that Airport

724
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:25,580
will not talk about what happened that

725
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:26,090
day

726
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:31,070
I tried isn't that bad yeah in you know

727
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:32,930
you have to wonder is this the airport

728
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,050
overall is this somebody above them is

729
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:38,240
this the airline you know where the

730
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:40,430
event took place you know threatening

731
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:42,710
these people with their jobs there is

732
00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:46,030
such a stigma and ridicule within the

733
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:49,160
you know the aviation world let alone

734
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:51,380
the civilian world I it's frustrating

735
00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:54,200
because these are the most you know the

736
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:56,900
people who can really disseminate what's

737
00:33:02,320 --> 00:32:59,570
going on in the skies especially if it's

738
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,330
a threat to their own flight absolutely

739
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:04,820
absolutely and that's the key seeing

740
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,680
there I mean you look at what NAR cap

741
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,960
has done over the years and you look at

742
00:33:13,870 --> 00:33:11,120
the incredible people involved in our

743
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:13,880
cap and the the scrutiny they put some

744
00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:15,770
of these cases under made know something

745
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:18,200
there you look back at the Foo Fighters

746
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:20,210
in World War two I mean there are

747
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,140
objects up there that keep pace you know

748
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:26,330
keep pace with plane and then they also

749
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:29,630
have electromagnetic effects and and

750
00:33:37,330 --> 00:33:33,140
this is incredibly serious and I think

751
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:37,340
that we need to incur and hopefully

752
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,150
change the sentiment and empower people

753
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:43,760
to come forward and and know that

754
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:44,990
they're not going to lose their jobs

755
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,050
that's I think that's going to going to

756
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,720
be a big mistake on the part of the FAA

757
00:33:57,010 --> 00:33:53,440
and Airlines to continue to do this

758
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:57,020
right D do you see that changing at all

759
00:34:03,340 --> 00:33:59,210
Erika have you noticed like an uptick it

760
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:03,350
all with pilot reports no no but now I'm

761
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:06,740
very sad it is but it takes again that

762
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:09,230
you know it takes a lot of work to to

763
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:11,510
get in there and change a system

764
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:15,230
right so and I know I just I commend you

765
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:17,960
know Tedrow and dr. Richard Haines for

766
00:34:24,369 --> 00:34:20,800
trying to do so much to change that

767
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:24,379
absolutely you know even looking at ways

768
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:27,560
of classifying aerial phenomena in terms

769
00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:30,530
of age aviation I know this is a lot of

770
00:34:32,369 --> 00:34:32,119
the work that head row is doing right

771
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:32,379
now

772
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:36,470
which is amazing it's so cool I mean

773
00:34:41,050 --> 00:34:39,020
it's just oh my gosh you know I have it

774
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:41,060
one of my friends is very Greenwood and

775
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:44,210
he's always sending me case reports and

776
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:46,760
and I you know I just look at all of

777
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:49,609
this food his Foo Fighter inventory that

778
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:52,790
he worked on with the help of of Keith

779
00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:56,080
Chester and it's like oh you are coming

780
00:35:02,220 --> 00:34:59,470
seriously there is so much evidence

781
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:02,230
right here and now we just need to get

782
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:06,020
people you know encouraged like I mean I

783
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:07,460
would encourage everybody out there to

784
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:10,760
go to very Greenwood archives and scan

785
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:14,150
that and then take a case or pick cases

786
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:16,190
and then go to work and find out as much

787
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:19,540
as you can go to the library find

788
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:23,720
documents there and and your own

789
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:26,090
research we meet that we need to

790
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,670
mobilize people we need to help people

791
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:30,800
to understand that this isn't just a

792
00:35:36,099 --> 00:35:33,770
social club you know which is great

793
00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:36,109
because I love hanging with my UFO

794
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,470
people and talking about things it's

795
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:41,359
important we need that social aspect but

796
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:44,330
I mean this is this is serious we need

797
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:49,280
to change the way we're operating and we

798
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:51,170
need to encourage people to get out

799
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,750
there and do the hard work and it is

800
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:55,760
hard work you know that oh yeah

801
00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:58,130
absolutely like the digging the you know

802
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:00,290
the internet is great but it has a lot

803
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:03,020
of faults we know this so going to the

804
00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:03,680
library

805
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:07,220
making slie requests I did this for the

806
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:09,410
Tehran incident and was able to dig up

807
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,140
some stuff that John Greenwald brought

808
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,000
forward and that's the kind of work you

809
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:16,880
have to do like you have to actually sit

810
00:36:23,749 --> 00:36:19,940
down write a letter to a congressman or

811
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,759
to the foi a and do that work

812
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:27,119
you know we can be lazy keyboardists and

813
00:36:31,129 --> 00:36:29,369
just google something but you have no

814
00:36:33,799 --> 00:36:31,139
idea where the sources are coming from

815
00:36:35,389 --> 00:36:33,809
with that information so well we're

816
00:36:38,059 --> 00:36:35,399
better yet we could just go on Facebook

817
00:36:40,999 --> 00:36:38,069
and then you know create our own little

818
00:36:42,979 --> 00:36:41,009
cult following and then you know I don't

819
00:36:43,909 --> 00:36:42,989
know whatever we do there but that's not

820
00:36:47,299 --> 00:36:43,919
you're not going to get good information

821
00:36:50,509 --> 00:36:47,309
on on Facebook I hate to tell you this

822
00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:50,519
but it's kind of the truth yeah it is it

823
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:53,429
is a it is definitely the Wild West on

824
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:55,049
there that's for damn sure

825
00:37:01,729 --> 00:36:59,099
well in terms of evidence Erica you were

826
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:01,739
recently featured on a new show which is

827
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,569
awesome by the way this is one of these

828
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:06,119
you know UFO shows I've seen yet and

829
00:37:10,999 --> 00:37:08,099
I'll sleep yeah

830
00:37:13,429 --> 00:37:11,009
UFOs the lost evidence how'd you get

831
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:13,439
involved with this and is there anything

832
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:15,569
in particular that you found most

833
00:37:20,149 --> 00:37:17,369
interesting about working with this new

834
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,159
television show you know I got involved

835
00:37:26,299 --> 00:37:22,380
they actually contacted me the producers

836
00:37:28,669 --> 00:37:26,309
and I flew out to Austin to record and I

837
00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:28,679
actually did I mean it was it was a lot

838
00:37:34,819 --> 00:37:31,109
of fun but I mean I shot seven episodes

839
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:34,829
and in a day and so I was literally in

840
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:37,529
the chair for 11 hours with a half an

841
00:37:43,999 --> 00:37:41,339
hour break yeah it was you know that it

842
00:37:45,889 --> 00:37:44,009
was it was very grueling but I loved it

843
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,899
I loved doing that and being able to

844
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:48,359
reach different people all over the

845
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:50,579
world it's important and we needed to do

846
00:37:56,749 --> 00:37:54,839
that I think that it it is a good

847
00:38:00,259 --> 00:37:56,759
production I love it I hope that they've

848
00:38:03,169 --> 00:38:00,269
got another season coming up it was fun

849
00:38:05,899 --> 00:38:03,179
to get to kind of I flew in and and

850
00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:05,909
Richard Dolan was there so I got to talk

851
00:38:09,979 --> 00:38:07,709
with him and then John Greenwald was

852
00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:09,989
coming in and got to spend some time

853
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:13,769
with him and it's it's really a cool

854
00:38:18,709 --> 00:38:15,689
thing and I love I mean every day I'm

855
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,719
getting tons and tons of messages from

856
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:20,579
people sharing their sightings or just

857
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:23,880
saying good job and we're happy to have

858
00:38:29,959 --> 00:38:27,689
a new face in there yeah yeah it's cool

859
00:38:32,299 --> 00:38:29,969
like to be on TV or whatever but we both

860
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:32,309
know like that's not but that's not our

861
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:34,350
goal our goal is to spread

862
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:38,430
you know a the information properly and

863
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:41,820
also to get people interested in the

864
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:44,850
topic like we know for a fact that this

865
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:47,360
topic isn't so popular when it comes to

866
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,280
you know the everyday person so to have

867
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,740
it on TV all over the world with

868
00:38:57,980 --> 00:38:54,780
credible cases like I think the show is

869
00:39:00,830 --> 00:38:57,990
doing I think it's exciting and I hope

870
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:00,840
they have a season - I did - what I

871
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,180
think that it's you know for me because

872
00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:05,400
I've like my background is vocal

873
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:08,100
performance and I'm really comfortable

874
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,470
in front of the camera or on stage it's

875
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:12,900
like how do I we're on the radio how do

876
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:16,950
I get aligned what I've been doing for

877
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:20,550
25 years to make the biggest impact and

878
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,970
to me doing radio reaching people all

879
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,880
over the world doing TV getting new

880
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,260
people involved I mean those are

881
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:31,440
important things when done credibly and

882
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:34,860
correctly and so it I really think that

883
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:38,280
we can shift the sentiment and get newer

884
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:40,650
younger people involved which is what

885
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:42,870
it's going to take to make real change

886
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:45,570
in the field I think so and I know we

887
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,150
have a lot of young younger listeners to

888
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:50,640
this show so if you're out there guys

889
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:54,420
please look at these UFO organizations

890
00:40:00,020 --> 00:39:57,720
look at new Fork look at MUFON watch

891
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,030
UFOs the lost evidence these are the

892
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:02,640
things that us who are embedded in this

893
00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:04,710
world think is the most credible

894
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:08,340
information and will actually really

895
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:09,660
excite you to know that there is

896
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:12,630
evidence out there it's not just stories

897
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:15,300
it's not just testimony there is hard

898
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:18,020
data and evidence about these topics

899
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:20,340
well there is and I have to say you know

900
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:23,310
when you're looking for good information

901
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,410
I mean go to visit Paul Dean's website

902
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:29,880
USO is documenting the evidence he's an

903
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:32,490
Australian researcher who has done a

904
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:35,310
tremendous service looking at the

905
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:37,830
classified documents from NORAD from the

906
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:40,260
CIA that's important you know get your

907
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:42,270
feet wet there it's a little technical

908
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:45,330
but it's it's important and then look at

909
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:46,810
the work of

910
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:50,320
cap look at Fran Ridge and all that he's

911
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:52,660
done look at Barry Greenwood read his

912
00:40:57,810 --> 00:40:55,690
archives I mean I will say I'm the

913
00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:57,820
biggest supporter of Barry Greenwood on

914
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:00,940
the planet because I know you know in

915
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:03,460
the past few decades what he has done to

916
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,490
preserve history for all of us so we can

917
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:09,280
build upon that and that is that's where

918
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:11,140
we need to go I think I would encourage

919
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:14,620
people to to not necessarily join

920
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:17,500
organizations but to do their own work

921
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:20,410
and to look at these resources and then

922
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:23,770
run with it yes absolutely do your own

923
00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:27,610
work go rogue yeah I like going rogue

924
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:30,760
I'm having a good time yeah I love it

925
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,510
well we both know that the UFO field has

926
00:41:38,610 --> 00:41:36,400
always been fractured and it seems that

927
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:38,620
nobody ever seems to be on the same page

928
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,250
so in terms of that Erica what do you

929
00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:44,560
personally feel would move the field

930
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:45,190
forward

931
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:49,120
in a progressive way oh lordy you know I

932
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:51,460
I think there are several things I think

933
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:53,230
kind of standardizing things would be

934
00:41:58,350 --> 00:41:55,600
helpful I think organizations working

935
00:42:01,760 --> 00:41:58,360
together and sharing data

936
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:01,770
I think that's valuable I mean we as

937
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:04,660
researchers you know we're not paid to

938
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:08,320
do this this is this is somebody come in

939
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:09,970
but majority of us we're not scientists

940
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:11,530
and we're doing this because we are

941
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:15,880
passionate but we need to have access to

942
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:19,900
data we need to work together and know

943
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:23,170
that there are ethical boundaries that

944
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:26,680
people are working together not hoarding

945
00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:29,350
information I mean I just I'm kind of

946
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:30,760
shocked at the lower level political

947
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:34,570
games that take place and you know for

948
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:37,300
me having been unfortunately caught up

949
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,060
in some of that early on I just I don't

950
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,740
have time for that I don't want to deal

951
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:43,560
with it and I think it's really

952
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:47,410
unproductive to to behave like this and

953
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:49,510
I think also you know I wanted to say

954
00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:52,900
that we should really be careful when

955
00:42:57,930 --> 00:42:55,000
we're getting on social media not to

956
00:43:00,130 --> 00:42:57,940
fall into some groups where just because

957
00:43:01,570 --> 00:43:00,140
I've got UFO in the title

958
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:01,580
you know it doesn't mean that they're

959
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:03,410
necessarily getting good information out

960
00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:06,410
and in some cases you know it's a group

961
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:07,820
of skeptics it just like to cause

962
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:10,490
trouble so we need to look at our

963
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:13,010
sources or hard believers

964
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:15,710
ya know everyone you know that this is a

965
00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:18,950
topic of people who are so willing to

966
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:21,080
believe that people will take advantage

967
00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:23,960
of that or on the opposite end you have

968
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:26,750
the hardcore skeptics who will ridicule

969
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:29,570
those who do believe so it's it's hard

970
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:31,550
just you know guys stay away from

971
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:34,940
bullying on either end amen

972
00:43:38,590 --> 00:43:38,060
what's all just get along let's hug it

973
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:38,600
out

974
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:41,090
yes that would I dream land but I think

975
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:45,140
that yeah I mean we like I said there's

976
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:47,090
just such good information out there and

977
00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:50,300
this is such an exciting field of study

978
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,630
and for me I mean I've learned more

979
00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:56,480
about the natural world about space

980
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:00,500
about biology chemistry all of these

981
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:03,230
things and I just I have grown as a

982
00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:05,960
person I've become a better person and

983
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:09,080
the people and experiences that I have

984
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:10,940
had along the way and met along the way

985
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:14,630
have been absolutely priceless to me I

986
00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:17,510
just I I don't know why somebody

987
00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:20,600
wouldn't want to do this yeah um if I

988
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:23,120
can say anything it's that I agree this

989
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:25,820
isn't about little green men guys first

990
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:28,460
and foremost this is about so much more

991
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:32,230
and impacting humanity in ways and

992
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:35,150
asking questions that are so profound

993
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:37,610
that if we ever were to get answers it

994
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:40,990
would change everything so you know

995
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:43,630
getting rid of that ridicule factor of

996
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:46,970
you know just nuts and bolts flying

997
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:48,980
saucers and little green men there are

998
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:50,690
so much more to this topic and I think

999
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:52,670
people are starting to realize that as

1000
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,160
we're exploring space more as we're

1001
00:44:59,980 --> 00:44:57,200
making these amazing scientific

1002
00:45:02,290 --> 00:44:59,990
discoveries there will come a day when

1003
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:02,300
that will converge with the UFO field

1004
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:05,210
and maybe we'll finally find some

1005
00:45:08,859 --> 00:45:06,710
answers I don't know

1006
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:08,869
I think we will and I think we're making

1007
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:12,710
so much progress with technology and I

1008
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:14,690
think that people have the ability to

1009
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:16,190
share information within a matter of

1010
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:18,770
seconds all over the world I think that

1011
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:21,020
we're you know going deeper in space and

1012
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:22,700
we're learning more about our own world

1013
00:45:28,329 --> 00:45:26,320
and there is a big shift in a we people

1014
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:28,339
understand now that we're not the

1015
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:30,140
beginning and end of the universe and

1016
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:34,700
that there is something here that is

1017
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:36,950
interacting with us and that's important

1018
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,050
and I wanted to kind of stress to people

1019
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:42,170
that we don't necessarily know if what

1020
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:43,849
we're dealing with is extraterrestrial

1021
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:45,800
we have no clue and I think that's kind

1022
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,390
of a more learn about this dangerous way

1023
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:52,640
to kind of go down that road I mean a

1024
00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:55,730
lot of the real hard core researchers

1025
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,500
that have done this for 50 years like

1026
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Jacques LA I mean it's more of a ultra

1027
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:02,570
terrestrial kind of interdimensional

1028
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:05,390
thing that we're dealing with so don't

1029
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:08,810
don't set yourself up for believing in

1030
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,450
something until you have all of the

1031
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,150
facts it's important absolutely and

1032
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:16,400
there are people looking at so many

1033
00:46:22,359 --> 00:46:20,810
different ways into this topic so yeah

1034
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:22,369
just do your research there's a good

1035
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:24,170
book coming out called the UFOs

1036
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:26,930
reframing the debate I do have to

1037
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:29,630
promote that I am in it so just a little

1038
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:33,290
change as awesome comes out late May

1039
00:46:38,849 --> 00:46:36,200
guys so you can check that out but yeah

1040
00:46:41,859 --> 00:46:38,859
it's about asking new questions and

1041
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:41,869
moving away from having any solid

1042
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:44,330
concrete answers because anyone who says

1043
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:47,570
they have those answers run run as fast

1044
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:51,490
you ain't kidding about that one I read

1045
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:55,250
seriously we don't know we need to we

1046
00:46:59,470 --> 00:46:57,650
need to we need to look at all different

1047
00:47:01,420 --> 00:46:59,480
aspects of this - and I want to stress

1048
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:01,430
that the paranormal is very important

1049
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:02,930
part of this because again we don't know

1050
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:04,310
what we're dealing with there and a lot

1051
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:07,609
of these things kind of move that the

1052
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,660
boundaries are very blurry

1053
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:12,480
so we need to look at that as well and

1054
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:14,490
we need to stop putting ourselves in

1055
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:19,619
boxes as researchers yep if Marvel the

1056
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,210
Marvel movies have taught me anything

1057
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,640
it's that hashtag everything's connected

1058
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:26,000
so just keep that in mind guys

1059
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:29,220
absolutely in terms of what you're

1060
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,049
working on now Eric are there any cases

1061
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:33,839
or anything that's really struck your

1062
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,890
fancy these days you know I am and still

1063
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:40,319
and always researching different hot

1064
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:42,329
spots looking at the commonalities like

1065
00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:45,210
Brown mountain Marfa Texas has Stalin

1066
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:50,099
Norway and in looking at some of the

1067
00:47:53,509 --> 00:47:51,750
really interesting things that have

1068
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:53,519
taken place you know especially it by

1069
00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:56,250
skinwalker where you have instances

1070
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,829
where the soil has been displaced and

1071
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:00,900
that happened over in hash Tollan as

1072
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:04,200
well I mean there are some very curious

1073
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:07,079
cases or reports of underground sounds

1074
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:09,329
and that is something I've been looking

1075
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:12,329
into it and and trying to get more

1076
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:14,490
people to come forward with reports in

1077
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,640
the UNC basin and that is a place I'm

1078
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:19,740
going to be again visiting fairly

1079
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:22,440
quickly here and doing a research study

1080
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:25,410
up in an area that I've have become

1081
00:48:31,339 --> 00:48:28,619
aware of to see what we can get and so

1082
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:31,349
that's what I'm doing because Utah's so

1083
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:35,160
full of amazing things and it's a state

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00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:38,460
that hasn't had a lot of focus on it

1085
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,400
which I'm hoping and I hope I've kind of

1086
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,160
changed that a little bit by helping

1087
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:46,440
Dave to get the message out about things

1088
00:48:51,499 --> 00:48:48,690
that are taking place here yeah and I do

1089
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:51,509
think media coverage does influence that

1090
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:53,819
a lot it will get people to come forward

1091
00:48:58,460 --> 00:48:56,490
with their own events and Utah is

1092
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,470
certainly a hot spot for UFO activity

1093
00:49:03,529 --> 00:49:01,740
and we have to start looking at why that

1094
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,539
might be for sure so that's very

1095
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:05,880
exciting oh my gosh I love it

1096
00:49:10,009 --> 00:49:08,130
this is I just have so much fun yeah

1097
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:10,019
hometown pride for sure

1098
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,950
yeah not super proud of the politics but

1099
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:15,359
you know that's okay that's a different

1100
00:49:18,769 --> 00:49:15,630
story

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00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:18,779
week at all we could all admit to that

1102
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:20,130
at times that's first

1103
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:22,830
I'm sure well there could tell us a

1104
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,570
little bit about your radio show where

1105
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:26,640
can we find that who do you got coming

1106
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:29,640
up what's going on over there oh my gosh

1107
00:49:35,830 --> 00:49:32,670
I do it every Friday night and it is 7

1108
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:35,840
p.m. Eastern Standard Time on K cor

1109
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:38,370
digital broadcasting network and that is

1110
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:40,500
I love that Network Tina Marie is my

1111
00:49:46,330 --> 00:49:42,810
producer it's amazing I've interviewed

1112
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:46,340
people like Fran Ridge from my cap and

1113
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:49,260
Barry Greenwood and both of those people

1114
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:51,930
don't do radio and so it was a real

1115
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,780
treat to have them on and share their

1116
00:50:00,980 --> 00:49:57,000
wealth of knowledge tonight I've got ray

1117
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:00,990
Stanford on the show again yeah I mean I

1118
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,690
just and Greg long was on there last

1119
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:05,640
week and Greg and I have become friends

1120
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:09,320
and he wrote a book on the Yakima Indian

1121
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:11,670
Reservation and all of the sightings

1122
00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:13,650
that take place there that are very

1123
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:16,820
similar to skinwalker and so I find

1124
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:19,850
researchers to come on there that are

1125
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:23,370
oftentimes kind of gone underground but

1126
00:50:28,850 --> 00:50:25,530
have important information to share so

1127
00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:28,860
UFO classified is my baby and I love it

1128
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:31,860
and you can go to UFO classified Calm my

1129
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:34,980
website and then I'm on Facebook and I

1130
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,320
try to tweet but I just you know kind of

1131
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:39,300
gotten the Twitter mojo yet I'm with you

1132
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:42,870
there yeah it's tough yeah you know well

1133
00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:45,660
those those names you mentioned are ones

1134
00:50:50,810 --> 00:50:48,600
that aren't out there on every radio

1135
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:50,820
show on every TV show talking and it's

1136
00:50:54,910 --> 00:50:52,350
that underground research like you

1137
00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:54,920
mentioned that is most influential and

1138
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:57,600
it's exciting to hear that you're

1139
00:51:01,070 --> 00:50:59,400
actually giving their information

1140
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:01,080
because I think that is the information

1141
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:01,950
we need most

1142
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:04,770
it's those silent people in the

1143
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:07,770
background doing the hard work and the

1144
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,330
fact that we have an outlet like your

1145
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:11,700
radio show to bring that forward that

1146
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:14,550
excites me to no end so keep thank you I

1147
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,710
love it and you too I'm just I'm so

1148
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:18,720
excited for you and all of your hard

1149
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:21,630
work and reaching out to younger people

1150
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:23,070
I sound like Grandma Moses when I say

1151
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,950
that those younger people whippersnapper

1152
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:28,020
I know I'm serious I'm turning into my

1153
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:30,420
grandma's just oh lord have mercy but

1154
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:33,750
but yeah that's that's great and I think

1155
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:36,330
that you know between you we've talked

1156
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,070
about this before I think that you know

1157
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:41,220
Jason McClellan I think you James Fox I

1158
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:42,810
mean John Greenwald

1159
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:44,820
there are some younger people in the

1160
00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:48,390
field that are really primed to to shift

1161
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:50,550
the sentiment and to do good work and to

1162
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:53,870
get this out there in a worldwide way I

1163
00:51:58,940 --> 00:51:56,820
think so you know we've learned from the

1164
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:58,950
best and we're just building upon that

1165
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:01,170
and moving forward so if we are

1166
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:03,720
considered the younger generation I'm

1167
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:05,790
not as young as people think first of

1168
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:08,010
all but if we are considered the younger

1169
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:10,140
generation we are going to really

1170
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:11,940
respect that and do what we can to move

1171
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:14,670
it forward and to anyone interested in

1172
00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:17,190
doing that with us please reach out to

1173
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:20,580
us you know we we are not scientists we

1174
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:23,000
are not physicists we are not

1175
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,190
psychologists we're normal people who

1176
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:28,800
have a huge fascination with this and we

1177
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,630
learned early on that no one's going to

1178
00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:32,400
do the work for us the government is not

1179
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:34,560
going to do that the military is not

1180
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:36,060
going to do that they have their own

1181
00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:38,430
agendas their own reasons for things so

1182
00:52:42,110 --> 00:52:40,320
it's us civilians who need to do the

1183
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,120
work and it's people like you who I

1184
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:45,660
truly look up to in terms of that thank

1185
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:45,960
you

1186
00:52:58,070 --> 00:52:55,710
technology has come down in price so

1187
00:53:01,310 --> 00:52:58,080
much you can get night vision go out

1188
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:01,320
there but also make sure you're taking

1189
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:03,300
some you're really getting a good camera

1190
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,920
and taking some images that are infrared

1191
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:09,720
necessarily and actually race Stanford

1192
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:10,770
and I had a conversation about that

1193
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:12,750
yesterday and tonight on the show he's

1194
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:15,180
going to explain why maybe we shouldn't

1195
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:17,610
really be using that as hardcore

1196
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:20,310
evidence and and he'll teach us some

1197
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:22,410
things but they get out there get out

1198
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:23,700
there learn about all the aircraft

1199
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:26,130
coming in and out of your area learn

1200
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:28,380
about Native American reservations learn

1201
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:30,570
about hot spots and then just go out and

1202
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:33,780
set your camera up yes keep looking up

1203
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:36,930
for sure well Erica thank you so much

1204
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:39,150
for joining me today this has been super

1205
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:41,970
fascinating and once again what is that

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website with UFO classified com

1207
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:49,039
perfect again thank you very much well

1208
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:50,660
thank you it's always fun talking with

1209
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:53,210
you alright guys that's it for this

1210
00:53:58,299 --> 00:53:55,250
week's episode once again you can find

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00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,309
all of Erica's work at UFO classified

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00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:00,559
com as usual if you haven't already

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00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:02,690
please rate and reviewed the show

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00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:05,089
wherever possible it really does help

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00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:07,490
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1216
00:54:11,470 --> 00:54:09,710
would certainly appreciate that if you

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00:54:13,809 --> 00:54:11,480
have any guests or topic suggestions

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00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:13,819
email me at Sprague at somewhere in the

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00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:23,059
Monday I want you to harness your inner

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00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:26,150
mohawk in rage because we are going to

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00:54:30,849 --> 00:54:28,700
be talking all about punk rock and UFOs

1225
00:54:34,029 --> 00:54:30,859
with Mike Demonte it's going to be a

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00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:34,039
fascinating and loud show remember keep

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your feet on the ground but never stop

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